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November 15, 2005

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Joe Liu

Jim, I think that the question you pose to Julie and Fred (and all of us) is a really interesting one. Underlying the question is the assumption (which you make express) that copyrighted works can act as good substitutes for one another. You see this assumption also in the cases making the satire/parody distinction.

But I wonder whether this assumption reflects, in Julie's terms, an economic user perspective. To the economic user, one movie may act as a reasonable substitute for another. If Shrek 2 is sold out, I'll go see Spiderman 2 instead. (Or, more realistically for me these days, if Chicken Run is sold out, I will go see Wallace and Gromit instead). If I can't parody Star Trek, I will parody Star Wars instead.

But this assumption may not hold true for a situated user. Consider, for example (and here, I am dating myself), the mix tape. People develop strong attachments to specific songs, based on their life experiences at the time. If I want to make a mix tape, one song may not adequately substitute for another. (See, e.g., the discussion of the finer points of mix tapes in Nick Hornby's "High Fidelity"). Similarly, if I want to parody Star Trek, a parody of Star Wars may not be an adequate substitute.

So for users engaged in expressive play, one copyrighted work may not adequately substitute for another. (Jeb Rubenfeld makes this point in discussing why "I strongly resent the draft" is not an adequate substitute for the message worn in Cohen v. California). I think this is particularly true given the degree of nuance sometimes found in cultural play, where the choice of a target may carry with it a lot of expressive overtones.

While none of this would give rise to market power in the economic sense, I think it does explain why some see a greater need to be able to appropriate a particular copyrighted work.

Bill Barth

What Joe said! :)

I'd also like to note that there really isn't all that much non-copyrighted work any more, at least not much that's interesting to situated users who'd like to make uses of items of their culture rather than 6 generations ago's culture.


Fred von Lohmann

You said:

[The Hush-a-Phone decision] injected the "user" into the telecoms debate and allowed the user to make use of the network for new purposes.
Just as I mentioned in my earlier post, the "user" here depends on technology innovators to act as their proxy in the post-Hush-a-Phone world. In other words, the shape of the environment for technology innovators was an important mediator in the "injection" of users into the telecom debate via the Hush-a-Phone ruling. Users, in turn, grabbed hold of the capabilities made possible by the new technology and did things the innovators never expected (as William Gibson famously put it, "The street finds its own uses for things.").

So, to return to your question (why does the copyright system systematically interfere with the users' ability to play), I'd respond that the scope and nature of copyright law's incursion into innovation policy powerfully conditions the users' ability to play in the first place. To the extent copyright law hems in the kinds of features a company may include in a PVR (to take Julie's ReplayTV example), it also hems in a users ability to "play" with TV.

Which brings us back to the need for a fresh consideration, for the sake of users, of the ways copyright doctrines (fair use, secondary liability, remedies) encourage or chill innovators. Julie's paper adds momentum to that project.

Lydia Loren

As Joe clearly articulated earlier in this thread, the non-substitutable nature of copyrighted works in certain situations does not give rise to the type of market power that type is the concern of the law, but it does give rise to a type of "cultural power." Market power itself is not a bad thing, abuse of that market power can be. Similarly, I would agrue that "cultural power" itself is not a bad thing, but abuse of that cultural power can be.

So, what would constitute abuse? Certainly attempting to silence critical speech about the work would count. Generally speaking fair use does a decent job of curbing that potential for abuse. But the story of the situated user may point to other potentials for abuse of such cultural power.

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