« The Problem with Monday Morning Quarterbacking | Main | Is Paulson an alchemist? His housing utility idea explored. »

02/11/2009

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c958a53ef010537201b51970b

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Why private (non government) debt may be the real culprit :

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

What’s particularly troubling about the private debt issue is that system incentivizes the accumulation of private debt. A bank’s profitability is derived from its ability to attract as many borrowers as possible. Until recently, it learned that it does not even need to take on sound risk; borrowers of all risk were worth it to them, as long as they could bundle up the risk into enticing securitizations for other investors.

The only check we seem to have against the debt culture is what we are about to experience: a depression. Still, that only attacks the problem from the demand side, so to speak. A borrower might not be so ready to take on a subprime loan or invest in a house that is worth more than seven times his annual salary after living through a generation of defaults. Indeed, it took a few generations for people to get out of the Depression mindset and invest in funds other than T-bills.

The real question: are the banks going to change? A case can be made that a bank might not be so willing to dole out subprime mortgages either but perhaps the banking industry is just going to look at this as a failure to price risk correctly. Maybe in 20 years, they look back and say “Now I know how to price the real estate market and I won’t make the same mistake twice being overly optimistic.” It is not hard to imagine that in the future, we will again have a need for real estate and the banks will again see a need to get large amounts of cash to real estate developers. Maybe banks figure out that they can bundle enough “good” risk with “bad” risk that it could still come up with a safe security that might find investors.

In the end, there will always be someone willing to give you money and charge you an interest rate. One might think that a solution is to police individuals and prevent them from accumulating too much debt, putting an effective check against the growth of the economy, but people get pretty upset at the government telling people what to do and people might actually seriously consider moving to a country where they could do whatever they wanted with their money. More likely, we can just ride the waves of the free market economy and know that times will be better.

Your research into private debt reminds me of the question Professor Henderson asked a few weeks ago about why the billions of dollars in bailout money that have been pumped into the economy haven’t caused inflation. If I remember correctly, one of our classmates actually suggested that he suspected there was no inflation because the “money” people had been spending wasn’t there to begin with. It seems as though your research has proven our classmate right. It boggles my mind that this can be the case. I honestly do not understand fiscal policy enough to comprehend how companies/individuals/banks/etc. can borrow/lend money that doesn’t exist. It’s just a little too metaphysical for me.

Private debt accumulation has long been a severe problem Had it not been for the Greenspan Fed policy of easing monetary policy following 9/11, its likely the 2008 credit debacle and recession would have occured much earlier.

I would expand on the author's comment regarding "fictitious growth:" Its apparent that the value of our private wealth is largely fictitious as well, hence the Great Devaluation that has been occurring over the past several months.

There is an interesting new paper on this topic here:
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/6328

Summary: Over the last three decades the US financial sector has grown six times faster than nominal GDP. This column argues that there comes a point when the financial sector has a negative effect on growth – that is, when credit to the private sector exceeds 110% of GDP. It shows that, of the advanced countries currently suffering in the fallout of the global crisis were all above this threshold.

It is very challenging to suppose at some point, I will again have a need for property and the financial institutions will again see a need to get a lot of money to property designers.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment